By Didier Anzieu, Gilbert Tarrab, D. Biggs

A French analyst discusses the interface among psychoanalysis and psychology. A dermis for idea takes the shape of ten transcribed discussions among Didier Anzieu and Gilbert Tarrab, recorded in Montreal in the course of Anzieu's lecture travel there. A practitioner and theoretician of person and staff research, Anzieu speaks frankly of the origins and improvement of his vocation, the phases of his education, and the evolution of his learn, and explains the primary principles he has built: team phantasm; the psychic initiatives of creativity, and 'the dermis Ego'.In solution to Gilbert Tarrab's probing questions, Didier Anzieu remembers the certain surroundings of his formative years, a primary research with Lacan, the occasions of could 1968 at Nanterre, his literary goals, and his enthusiasm for psychodrama. via turns, the dialogue specializes in the idea that of the physique, the crowd and the establishment, and, from a mental standpoint, displays severely upon the fascination of idealizes and the fight for strength, the constitution and dynamics if the social subconscious, the decline of the college, and the ecological importance of the psychoanalytic scenario.

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Lacan kept his pupils i n the role of interminable disciples and his patients i n the role of interminable analys­ ands. H i s seminar was interminable. A n d woe betide those who kicked against the pricks. They were flogged i n public (verbally, of course), brought back to heel, and threatened with finding themselves deprived of a practice or driven out in disgrace and humiliation. GT: A l l this because of the negative transference you were talking about a little while ago. But this does not explain the success of Lacanism outside France, for example i n Italy, Spain, Portugal, South America, and Quebec: one finds people everywhere who claim to be Lacanians and who have been trained, not necessarily by Lacan himself, but by one of his disciples, and who spread his 'good news' around the world.

One of my problems is to organize my life i n a way that is sufficiently varied, providing niches for both aspects to find satisfaction. GT: Let us pursue the course of your career. Y o u therefore started to take an interest i n psychoanalytic texts and then went on to train i n that profession? DA: The class of 1944—which I was i n at the Ecole Nor­ male Superieure—had a certain number of enthusiasms; for some it was mathematical logic (Jean-Toussaint Desanti was among our lecturers), for others it was Marxism (Althusser was the most significant example, and also the most dramatic); and finally for Laplanche, myself, and sev­ eral of my friends, it was psychology, psychiatry, and psycho­ analysis.

After my success i n the agregation i n philosophy i n 1948,1 decided not to take up a post immedi­ ately, and with my wife's agreement (we had just married) I decided to remain for a year in Paris and to get private tuition to prepare with her for teaching certificates in psy­ chology, which had then just been instituted, as well as for the diploma of the Institut de Psychologie, which gave us a more concrete training. We followed presentations of patients at the Hopital Sainte-Anne, and we learned to use projective tests.

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